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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptics are an

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episode number 346 for the 7th of jun

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2015 Richard Saunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia and what lovely weather

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it is in Sydney Australia lovely wintery

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crisp days and cool evenings not a bad

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place to be at all coming up on this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone we're

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going to kick off with evidence please

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with Joe alabasta some news this week

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concerning the old chestnut of

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homeopathy I wonder if you can get

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homeopathic chestnuts you probably can

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Joe is going to be discussing some

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latest developments there including

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praise where praise is due to our good

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friends at the good thinking Society in

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the UK congratulations to you people who

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have been doing some undercover over the

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cover over the counter investigations

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homeopathic owls well just just when you

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think homeopathy can't get any more

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Looney stay tuned for evidence please

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with Joe alabaster following that it's a

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week in science from the Royal

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Institution of Australia www r-ia us dot

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org on a you the URL I tell you about

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frequently worth a visit and indeed the

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actual institution itself in the

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beautiful city of Adelaide is always

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worth a visit hello to my good friend

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dr. Paul Willis who is the director

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there and then after that it's a report

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from mind body spirit mind body wallet

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as we call it Joe alabaster Alethea

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deener answer given myself were at mind

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body spirit just the other week and I'm

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going to be telling you about some of

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them fact I got them right here you know

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what's this some of the brochures and

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things and conversations we had at

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mind-body wallet idea discover amazing

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health benefits of the computerized

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nonlinear analysis system and LS

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Metatron for health check fast effective

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painless non-invasive

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yeah whately hear about this one folks

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and the other goodies from mind-body

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wallet then quick report from the four

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of us just after the event and then I'm

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going to replay report by our dear

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friend Joe and Ben amoo from 2009 from

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the skeptic zone with her thoughts on

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mind-body wallet mind body spirit and

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after all these years it's sad that not

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much has changed a great report from way

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back in 2009 then to round off the show

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it's skip decamp from last week where

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you'll hear my little presentation

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called we've heard it all before where

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I'm going to be discussing some of the

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mmm sayings phrases sound bites

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comebacks that I've heard over the years

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again and again and again and again from

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the new ages the nuages the New Age

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people and alternative medicine people

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and things like that what have I heard

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so many times before I think you'll find

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some of this very interesting and it

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might help you because if you're out

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there doing skeptical stuff you'll

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probably hear some of this yourself now

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I don't know how you listen to the

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skeptic zone you probably like a lot of

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the sort of thing but now it's time for

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me to run downstairs with Fred the gut

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give him some lovely or what can he have

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this week some beef and gravy what do

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you mean this week do you eat every day

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Fred I hope so beef and gravy today Fred

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have some French onion soup oh I had

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some French onion soup at my favorite

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cafe in newtown cafe 204 to check it out

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folks while I'm doing that I hope you

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what we want is some more evidence

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hello this is Joe alabaster

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this week news about that continual

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thorn in our side homeopathy first up

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General Practitioners which was picked

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outlets from RAC GPA you homeopathy

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treatment not effective and should not

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be prescribed third of jun 2015 GPS

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homeopathy RAC GP president dr. frank r

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evidence-based medicine and there was

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robust evidence homeopathy had no effect

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various clinical conditions quote given

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this lack of evidence it does not make

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sense for homeopathy products to be

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supported by pharmacists and grote dr.

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that these alternatives do not prevent

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antibodies and there is no plausible

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biological mechanism by which these

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alternatives could prevent infection

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alternative to conventional immunization

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homeopathy is that people delay or avoid

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seeing a GP exacerbating their condition

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through delayed care and reject

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homeopathy through extras cover when

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methods are available quote whilst we

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rebate and quote dr. Jones said quote

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health benefits over and above that of a

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placebo or equivalent to that of another

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treatment now while all of this is

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really good an excellent public

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statement to be making to help the

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population become more aware of issues

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premiums I can't help but feel a little

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recommend homeopathy how anyone who

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homeopathic treatment without an

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explanation as to its lack of efficacy

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more weight coming down on homeopathy

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homeopathy in pharmacy

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for people to consider its existence

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alongside evidence-based treatments to

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be an endorsement of its efficacy

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particularly given the credibility of

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pharmacists one argument as to why

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pharmacies stock homeopathy is that

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they're being run as a business and that

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there's a public demand for homeopathic

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products which is frustrating as their

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businesses which we rely on for vital

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health information and products and

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discount glitter nail polish which is an

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integral item for my personal well-being

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pharmacies are businesses but there are

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also an essential service one that most

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of us need to use from time to time one

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for change could come from consumer

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demand perhaps one day we could get a

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large enough percentage of the public to

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say no to homeopathy and if a pharmacy

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chain removes it from it's shelves

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reward them with our custom this is

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highly idealistic I realized in the

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meantime we do have groups such as

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friends of science in medicine lobbying

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for the removal of non evidence based

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products from pharmacy shelves and you

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can see what they're up to and if you're

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so inclined lend them your support by

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going to science in medicine dot org dot

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au across and up to the UK now we're the

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good thinking Society have been

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campaigning to have homeopathy struck

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off of the NHS that's the National

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Health Service akin to Medicare down

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here which funds homeopathic hospitals

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the campaign has been a great success so

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far with extensive media coverage and

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clinical commissioning groups their

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local area groups which organize the

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delivery of NHS services reassessing

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their support for homeopathy some

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announcing that they'll no longer be

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funding such as part of the good

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thinking societies efforts to examine

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and publicize what's going on with a NHS

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funded homeopathy in the UK our eminent

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friend Michael Marshall investigated

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precisely what's being sold by

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homeopathic pharmacies which supply the

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an owl remedy freeman's homeopathic

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pharmacy in Glasgow lists all sorts of

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weird and wonderful remedies on their

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website including three different

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remedies labeled owl Marsh decided to

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find out more about the owl remedy and

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called Freeman's what followed was a

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slightly surreal conversation in which

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the pharmacy assistant informed Marsh

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that the remedy was mailed from owl

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not for our allergies but for people who

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were taking on the characteristics of

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owls such as not sleeping the entire

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conversation is available as a YouTube

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video I'll put a link in the show notes

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as it's well worth a listen and a watch

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during the conversation the homeopathic

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pharmacy assistant stated that the

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homeopathic owl was for doctors and

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practitioners to prescribe and not sold

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over the counter yet the good thinking

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society was able to purchase it online

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without a prescription nor a warning

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that one is required hmm discoveries

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such as this while disturbing innocence

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are also incredibly useful the strange

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in the homeopathic owl expose court not

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only the attention of skeptics and the

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like on social media but also that of

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the daily mirror which ran a story on

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the good thinking society's work around

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homeopathy and the case of the owl

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remedy it's a huge well done to the good

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thinking society and you know if you

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find something similarly bizarre pursue

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more information and consider going

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public weirdness can be an excellent way

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to draw public and media attention to

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pseudoscience finally here's a fantastic

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tweet which caught my eye from Andy

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Lewis whose Twitter handle is lekha

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Nardwuar quote the good thinking society

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I'll remedy expose is a classic example

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of the idea that the biggest threat to

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homeopathy is people knowing what it is

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end quote

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too right you can read more about the

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good thinking society's amazing work at

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good thinking society org until next

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week have a hood of a time a transcript

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of this report with links has been

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posted at my blog which can be found on

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welcome to a week in science from our

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iOS bringing you the science you need to

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know well there's no danger of falling

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off the edge of the earth but as that

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thanks to the roundness of our home

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planet well not quite the ground beneath

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your feet is actually part of an oblate

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spheroid so what's an oblate spheroid

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well it's basically a sphere with a

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bulge around the middle because the

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planet spins rotational forces push mass

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outwards at the equator creating this

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odd shape in fact if you measure the

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earth across the poles you'll find that

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it's twelve thousand seven hundred and

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thirteen point six kilometres then if

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you measure the earth across the equator

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you'll get twelve thousand seven hundred

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fifty six point two kilometers that's a

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difference of forty two point six

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kilometers of the Earth's shape by using

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GPS sensors satellite laser ranging and

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very long baseline interferometry

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basically a bunch of different ways of

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monitoring the position of ground

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stations and of course how can the earth

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be round when it's covered in mountains

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and valleys the highest point above sea

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level Mount Everest reaches 8,848 meters

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but Mount Everest is not actually the

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point on earth furthest from the center

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that honor goes to Mount chimborazo in

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Ecuador while its elevation is only 6268

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metres it's more than 2,000 meters

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further from the Earth's center than

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Everest and there's one last competitor

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for biggest mountain the Hawaiian

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volcano Mauna Kea which is more than

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10,000 meters from base to summit and

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here's a fact that might blow your mind

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if you Shrunk the earth down to the same

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size it would be smoother than a

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billiard ball that's right billiard

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balls can have imperfections of up to

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0.22 percent but the earth only reaches

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zero point one seven percent and now for

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fast facts about this oblate spheroid we

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call home

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sea level isn't actually level due to

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the Earth's uneven gravity field there

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are permanent hills and valleys in the

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ocean the circumference of the earth is

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40,000 and 75 kilometers around the

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equator and forty thousand and eight

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kilometers around the poles every day

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that earth gains between 20 and 40 tons

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of mass due to collision with space

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debris at this rate it will take about

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four hundred fifty trillion years for

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the earth to double in size that's it

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for this week in science for more

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information about Earth go to the rirs

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website RI aus org dot a you follow us

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on twitter at our iOS and like us on

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Facebook I'm Casey Harrigan and we'll

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catch you next week hi this is Tim

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Farley you probably know me from what's

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the harm net a catalog of the real world

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harm caused by lack of critical thinking

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but that's not my only project i present

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at skeptic events I post a daily skeptic

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history fact on Twitter and Facebook and

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I blog about using new techniques on the

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internet to advance skepticism come over

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to skip tools com and check out my

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latest ideas but first enjoy the rest of

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ah what lovely music now as mentioned at

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the top of the show once again ilithyia

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Dean reported Joella bastyr and I went

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to the festival of mind body spirit here

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in Sydney or as we always loved the call

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it for years and years and years i think

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it was famous skeptic Barry Williams

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here in Australia who coined that

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expression mind-body wallet mind-body

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wallet rows and rows and rows and rows

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of stalls selling all sorts of things

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lots of spiritual advice people waving

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their hands people doing some sort of

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energetic healing by going shh shh over

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people which I can't quite fathom it's

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the first time I ever saw ear candling

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was at a mind-body wallet about ten

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years ago and when I saw it I had to

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look twice I thought no no they can't

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know they're sticking a candle in

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someone's ear what and I've seen many

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strange things over the years here are

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some of the things that caught my

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attention this time round I think some

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of these things have been around for a

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while this first one certainly has been

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around for at least six months because

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I'm sure we saw the same thing since six

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months ago this is the device which is

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basically it's a laptop it's a laptop

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it's a it's a program on a laptop and

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plugged into the laptop something

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resembling headphones and the idea is

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you sit down they put the headphones on

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your head and in theory this device will

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read the vibrations coming through your

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skull and translate those vibrations

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into electrical signals back into the

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computer and the computer will then

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display your organs representations of

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going to include a link to the on the

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flogging this system which is the

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calm today you now when we were talking

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with the people at this stand about this

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device and how it works that's the best

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question you can ask at these things you

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ask oh how does it work and then we

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should play bingo actually the number of

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times they'll hear the word energy

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vibration the words energy vibration and

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frequency anyway in conversations with

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the people there it soon became apparent

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that they were well to be blunt clueless

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they had no understanding of of health

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really no medical understanding and what

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I suspect has happened is that they've

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simply bought this system and for a lot

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of money and now just flogging the

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health what they consider to be the the

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diagnostic health machine or program I

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think that they're probably quite well

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meaning but hopelessly deluded but

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here's the thing they have completely

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and utterly neglected their due

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diligence and duty of care all right so

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you go along and you're convinced by

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some presentation by someone flogging

550
00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:25,170
this device then it's surely your

551
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,150
responsibility to make doubly sure that

552
00:26:31,030 --> 00:26:28,860
you're not being hoodwinked yourself

553
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:31,040
before flogging this to other people and

554
00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:34,710
the biggest problem here and the biggest

555
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:37,280
dangerous people could have this

556
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:40,500
ridiculous scan done and receive a

557
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:42,570
so-called health report and think

558
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,410
something's okay when it's not when they

559
00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:48,000
should be seeking

560
00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:50,750
proper medical advice and treatment

561
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:54,800
another one we found was a hair analysis

562
00:27:02,210 --> 00:26:59,490
system and the brochure says test don't

563
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:02,220
guess how is the environment affecting

564
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:05,160
your well-being our 90-day optimized

565
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:07,410
natural coaching program is included

566
00:27:12,290 --> 00:27:10,050
with a 30-page hair follicle analysis

567
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,300
report in just 15 minutes your report

568
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:16,080
includes amino acid chart antioxidants

569
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,410
chart efas chart EMF e.l.f chart food

570
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:25,020
chart food additives chart microbiology

571
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:28,500
chart murrells chart toxins chart 90-day

572
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:32,100
coaching program blah blah blah expose

573
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:35,010
special seventy dollars normally $89 now

574
00:27:42,770 --> 00:27:39,360
this one and the website is info with

575
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:42,780
heart calm is a little device about the

576
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:45,390
size of a an iphone the idea is they

577
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,860
pluck some hairs from the back of your

578
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:48,960
neck put it on this little scanner so

579
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:52,320
called scanner and that scans your hair

580
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:53,820
follicles that information is sent

581
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:56,610
encrypted to Germany to a supercomputer

582
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:01,500
Maya and then sent back as a report the

583
00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:04,290
video at info with heart calm explains

584
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:06,060
it better than I can but again in

585
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:08,100
conversations with these people they

586
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,020
didn't they they have no understanding

587
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:13,140
of what they're really flogging and

588
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:15,330
certainly no idea that the science

589
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:17,850
behind it is just non-existent things

590
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:23,520
don't work that way again I sympathize

591
00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:26,820
that they've been solved this a probably

592
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:28,200
great expense and they've gone to a

593
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,330
course and they've had very convincing

594
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:32,220
people tell them how it works but in the

595
00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:33,330
end they didn't do their due diligence

596
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:36,300
and a lot of these people were telling

597
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:38,340
us when a swirl why isn't this thing

598
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:40,230
available in hospitals if it's so

599
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:42,990
amazing you know scan your your body and

600
00:28:48,020 --> 00:28:45,930
you can see your organs the response

601
00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:48,030
then came back to conspiracy theories

602
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,040
well the medical profession here can't

603
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:52,740
make money out of it or it's big and

604
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:55,110
Russia it's used in every hospital in

605
00:28:58,550 --> 00:28:56,880
Mexico and things like this it's big in

606
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,560
Europe and Australia is behind the times

607
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:00,000
and when you get to catch up with far

608
00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:02,409
away from everything all this sort of

609
00:29:10,029 --> 00:29:07,190
just ridiculous assertions and there

610
00:29:12,099 --> 00:29:10,039
were many many more examples of woolly

611
00:29:14,409 --> 00:29:12,109
thinking and deluded people there always

612
00:29:18,999 --> 00:29:14,419
are and this is always the case of these

613
00:29:20,499 --> 00:29:19,009
mind-body wallet expose so we have the

614
00:29:21,849 --> 00:29:20,509
information we're going to see what we

615
00:29:25,769 --> 00:29:21,859
can do about it because some of these

616
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:25,779
things are dangerous to give people this

617
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:28,369
ridiculous so-called health reports when

618
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:30,169
they should be seeking proper advices

619
00:29:39,639 --> 00:29:36,559
simply irresponsible but now let's hear

620
00:29:43,810 --> 00:29:39,649
from a leaf the urge oh and around and

621
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,820
myself just after these encounters and

622
00:29:48,249 --> 00:29:45,440
immediately following that will have the

623
00:29:50,499 --> 00:29:48,259
report from 2009 Bauer good friend Joe

624
00:29:52,419 --> 00:29:50,509
and Ben amoo who also visited a

625
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:52,429
mind-body wallet way back then and

626
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:00,960
it's mind body spirit mind body wallet

627
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:02,590
once again and if I hear the word

628
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:05,050
vibration again today I'm going to I

629
00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:07,090
don't know what I'm doing great I'll

630
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:08,920
vibrate Joella best and what did you

631
00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:11,890
think of mind-body wallet today it was

632
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:13,780
an interesting one this term it always

633
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:15,490
is interesting it was interesting in a

634
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:17,820
different way this time around um

635
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:20,800
richard has negative energy I have

636
00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:22,690
negative energy and a run can attest to

637
00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:24,670
that you definitely have negative energy

638
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:27,280
and the there's this GP that we talked

639
00:30:30,690 --> 00:30:29,050
to arm which we're definitely going to

640
00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:30,700
look into further because he's he's

641
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:32,260
practicing all kinds of quackery in his

642
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:36,210
GP practice yeah who felt that energy so

643
00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:40,900
so badly in his midriff yes you noticed

644
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:43,000
yes um that he had to ask you to step

645
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:45,310
away I had to step away from when we

646
00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:46,750
were talking to him wasn't that beside

647
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:48,430
you were there Alethea I think even know

648
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:52,450
I wasn't recognized you from TV I don't

649
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:54,430
that's probably why you got singled out

650
00:30:59,760 --> 00:30:56,290
no no really I'll tell you what he was

651
00:31:01,170 --> 00:30:59,770
Richard had very negative energy which I

652
00:31:03,510 --> 00:31:01,180
think was correctly identified by

653
00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:03,520
Richard himself as the question asking

654
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:07,300
energy that's right why I you know I've

655
00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:08,620
been coming this for many years as you

656
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:11,560
know if we do a few more bit of it this

657
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:14,260
one's quite big I thought this is at

658
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:16,150
least a third bigger than than the one

659
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:17,410
we were at last time it's quite

660
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:20,200
significant yeah yeah yeah and but a lot

661
00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:21,820
of the same old people with it and you

662
00:31:28,050 --> 00:31:25,720
had your clothes rent oh yes I had my

663
00:31:31,230 --> 00:31:28,060
clothing read by the chap who I'm

664
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Greed's wax crayons that he melts with

665
00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:33,130
an iron and he complimented me on my

666
00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:35,500
hair so I jokingly asked him whether he

667
00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:37,150
could read people's hair colors and yes

668
00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:39,280
he could and he did all of my clothes

669
00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:41,080
and I think there was a slightly veiled

670
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:44,500
insult in their 20 g are you looking

671
00:31:48,270 --> 00:31:46,630
very colorful today with your green hair

672
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:48,280
and your purple top and your black dress

673
00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:50,600
and all the rest

674
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:53,150
I think that was quite interesting so

675
00:31:58,390 --> 00:31:55,520
Alethea shall we do it again in six

676
00:32:00,580 --> 00:31:58,400
months I'm not sure I have the energy

677
00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:00,590
positive or negative effort to do that

678
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:03,830
again well do you think I think you're

679
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:05,690
asking at the wrong time you should like

680
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:07,730
give it three months and then ask again

681
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:10,370
I think I should but don't forget in

682
00:32:13,510 --> 00:32:12,049
there there's all those people selling

683
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:13,520
you things to improve your energy and

684
00:32:18,250 --> 00:32:16,280
your frequencies in your vibrations well

685
00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:18,260
yeah there was that I think I stand out

686
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,260
one was the 98 alive people who I think

687
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:23,360
it's a horrible supplement I think

688
00:32:27,549 --> 00:32:25,580
ultimately that's what it was but it's a

689
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,559
Terry extract of some sort it's right

690
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,799
where they'd taken out all the toxic

691
00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:33,200
compounds they left all the magical good

692
00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:35,870
compounds and some new compounds 58 new

693
00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:39,980
comp yes yeah and it fixes everything so

694
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:42,679
it boosts and normalizes your immune

695
00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:46,730
system it gets rid of bad bacteria while

696
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:49,480
supporting good bacteria it's an

697
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:52,970
antiviral and it fixes your cancer too

698
00:32:58,990 --> 00:32:56,240
apparently so oh and you can take it

699
00:33:02,799 --> 00:32:59,000
instead of your um your retrovirus if

700
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:02,809
you're afflicted with HIV we were

701
00:33:06,490 --> 00:33:04,490
informed of this although it wasn't on

702
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:06,500
the literature that was printed yeah we

703
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:08,330
were told E and I asked whether they

704
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:11,750
would cure my herpes for the record

705
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:13,780
because this is public I don't have her

706
00:33:18,730 --> 00:33:15,860
but I asked where they would kill my

707
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:18,740
herpes and and he said well we're not

708
00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:25,600
idea well folks as always it's worth

709
00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:27,860
coming to a spiritual ferrer what we

710
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:29,539
call mind-body wallet you learn a lot

711
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:31,400
you learn a lot with all of us we've got

712
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:34,070
bags and Ferb brochures and literature

713
00:33:38,409 --> 00:33:35,720
to look through and i bought some nice

714
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:38,419
chips organic chips I like you got an

715
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:40,520
organic you go organic chips but I got

716
00:33:45,580 --> 00:33:43,220
an organized an organ aight and how

717
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:45,590
orgonite it seems to be sort of some

718
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:47,870
metal filaments and apparently some

719
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:50,150
courts encased in resin and that will

720
00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:53,630
take away negative energy and replace it

721
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:56,419
with negative ions I'd say from water

722
00:33:59,139 --> 00:33:57,769
they have this thing in the water in

723
00:34:01,899 --> 00:33:59,149
some one of the stands they had these

724
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,909
similar similar looking things inside a

725
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:03,440
water tank maybe they'll clean and that

726
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:08,169
actually it cleanse no it's um it's uh

727
00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:11,750
the water is alkaline and it did it does

728
00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:14,750
something to that and it breaks away the

729
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:17,419
breaks apart the molecules oh that's

730
00:34:24,549 --> 00:34:20,230
frightening yeah what are molecules

731
00:34:26,740 --> 00:34:24,559
amazing okay yes whatever next but you

732
00:34:28,569 --> 00:34:26,750
bought shoes so we've yet we all do it

733
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:28,579
on and you put good how about shoes in

734
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,540
tea and tea and you bought e 40 and a

735
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:35,359
ginger drink a ginger drink yes there's

736
00:34:38,980 --> 00:34:36,889
actually quite a lot of stuff in here

737
00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:38,990
which is simply people who know there's

738
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:40,700
gonna be a lot of people here today and

739
00:34:45,579 --> 00:34:42,770
they just want to sell and as long as it

740
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:45,589
doesn't contradict the essence of the

741
00:34:50,349 --> 00:34:48,889
this conference tour this convention too

742
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:50,359
much then I think they're happy to sell

743
00:34:55,419 --> 00:34:53,240
it I feel like there's been a real price

744
00:34:56,889 --> 00:34:55,429
hike since even the last time we were

745
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:56,899
here there were people selling 10

746
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:59,150
minutes psychic readings for what 70

747
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:01,430
books yeah sixty bucks 5-10 minutes

748
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,260
psychic reading 60 bucks I suggested

749
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:05,420
that maybe we could do that I'll write a

750
00:35:09,789 --> 00:35:07,549
list of facts about myself on a bit on a

751
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:09,799
note yeah and if they get them right

752
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:11,240
then I'll pay them to 60 bucks and if

753
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:12,710
they don't they will pay me 60 bucks for

754
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:15,500
wasting my time good luck with that but

755
00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:17,569
thanks for all for coming along and well

756
00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:18,980
we'll see what happens in six months

757
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:22,280
time thanks mrs. believe he is not

758
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:32,930
looking abreast my name is Joanne been

759
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:35,930
homo a few weeks ago myself and several

760
00:35:39,579 --> 00:35:37,910
other skeptics went to the festival of

761
00:35:42,819 --> 00:35:39,589
mind body and spirit at the Sydney

762
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:42,829
exhibition center as a registered nurse

763
00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:44,690
it concerns me that many people are

764
00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:46,460
choosing to dabble in untested health

765
00:35:49,809 --> 00:35:48,140
treatments that have not been held up to

766
00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:49,819
scientific scrutiny and could

767
00:35:54,309 --> 00:35:52,700
potentially cause harm I was keen to see

768
00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:54,319
with the festival offered and whether it

769
00:35:58,299 --> 00:35:55,940
would live up to its reputation within

770
00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:58,309
the skeptical community as an arena for

771
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:01,000
quackery nonsense and magical potions

772
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:02,890
perhaps it would turn out to be just a

773
00:36:16,530 --> 00:36:05,260
bit of harmless fun I was not

774
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:16,540
disappointed in keeping with its name

775
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:19,180
the festival of mind body and spirit is

776
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:22,600
nothing if not spirited upon entering

777
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:24,790
the Sydney Exhibition Centre I was met

778
00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:27,250
by the jingle jangle of bells and air

779
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:29,260
that sparkled with the stray glitter of

780
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:32,230
passing fairy wings the hall was

781
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:34,150
positively abuzz with enthusiastic

782
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:36,550
stallholders passing out fliers and

783
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:38,650
punters eagerly filling their

784
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:40,630
complimentary carry bags with tonics

785
00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:43,450
crystals organic foods and promotional

786
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:47,260
materials a huge queue had formed around

787
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:49,810
the aura images stand we're having one's

788
00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:52,210
energy field photographed seemed to be

789
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:55,660
the activity du jour as I watched the

790
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,850
crowd lap up the rhetoric and jostle for

791
00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:00,400
treatments too vague ailments or more

792
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:03,430
accurately symptoms of life I began to

793
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:05,410
wonder what a blight on human progress

794
00:37:11,010 --> 00:37:08,020
it will prove to be to have so many of

795
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:11,020
us waste our energies on products and

796
00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:12,790
procedures that refuse to be held

797
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:14,620
accountable to all known laws of

798
00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:18,100
chemistry physics and biology and which

799
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:20,980
unfortunately have great potential to do

800
00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:24,640
harm my mind returned to the word harm

801
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:28,060
frequently during the day as Tim Farley

802
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:30,910
superb website what's the harm net shows

803
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,720
us the harm is very real right now the

804
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:36,720
world faces many difficult challenges

805
00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:39,580
some realized and some lurking on the

806
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,340
edge of our vision threatening but by no

807
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:45,280
means guaranteed the return of some of

808
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:47,050
the most frightening infectious diseases

809
00:37:51,150 --> 00:37:49,210
that we have suffered as well as the

810
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:51,160
potential for a deadly flu pandemic

811
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:53,830
creates real challenges for both medical

812
00:37:58,890 --> 00:37:56,620
researchers and clinicians and yet

813
00:38:01,380 --> 00:37:58,900
rather than seeking education through

814
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:01,390
vetted and verifiable sources or

815
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:03,700
consulting medical experts with years of

816
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,610
scientific training droves of people are

817
00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:08,400
throwing away their time and money on

818
00:38:14,010 --> 00:38:11,590
unsubstantiated mumbo jumbo that has not

819
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:14,020
been answerable to rigorous standard

820
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:18,070
of scientific evidence remaining

821
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,350
unanswerable proved to be a theme of the

822
00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:23,200
day as I came to see despite the

823
00:38:26,820 --> 00:38:24,820
requirements set out by the New South

824
00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:26,830
Wales Department of Health that the code

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00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:28,540
of conduct for unregistered health

826
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:31,150
practitioners be displayed in any place

827
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:33,670
where they practice that document was

828
00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:37,660
noticeably absent from every store at a

829
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:40,120
large stall offering holistic treatment

830
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:41,470
for hundreds of conditions including

831
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:45,040
cancer I witnessed an elderly lady being

832
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:47,170
filmed by the stall holder as she

833
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:48,790
hesitantly pulled herself out of her

834
00:38:53,550 --> 00:38:50,830
wheelchair to try the special footwear

835
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:53,560
that he had fitted her with sitting in a

836
00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:55,270
neat row on top of a table was a

837
00:39:00,360 --> 00:38:58,180
collection of potions she walked a few

838
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:00,370
steps and I couldn't shake the feeling

839
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:02,770
that peter Popoff might leap out from

840
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:06,010
behind the curtain yelling Jesus he had

841
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:09,730
healed dr. rachel dunlop one of my

842
00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:11,530
partners in investigation for the day

843
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,960
ask the mustachioed man behind the

844
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:16,240
camera if you would be able to help her

845
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:17,770
friend who had recently been diagnosed

846
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,610
with cancer he swiftly responded yes and

847
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:23,920
with great flourish pointed to the row

848
00:39:28,410 --> 00:39:26,650
of bottles assuring us that those exact

849
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:28,420
bottles were what her friend would need

850
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:31,660
a consultation and then a liquid diet

851
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:34,630
would be required altogether incurring a

852
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:36,820
cost of twelve thousand dollars for one

853
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:40,450
year the results he declared the cancer

854
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:44,380
would go away a burgeoning new trend in

855
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:45,670
the world of complementary and

856
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,190
alternative medicine is the promotion of

857
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:51,760
so-called alkaline water this centers on

858
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:53,830
claims that the pH of the body is

859
00:39:58,890 --> 00:39:56,530
becoming increasingly acidic due to

860
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:58,900
exposure to environmental toxins and

861
00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:02,320
poor lifestyle a large sign in front of

862
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:06,220
one store invited passes by to ask our

863
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:10,750
water can cure incurable diseases we

864
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:12,370
press the stallholders for more

865
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:14,230
information about how this worked and

866
00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:16,810
whether it could cure our friends cancer

867
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:19,460
they speedily backpedaled from their

868
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:21,950
claims offering vague explanations mad

869
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,530
at helping the immune system

870
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:26,480
neutralizing acid and detoxifying the

871
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:30,320
body their bizarre logic and aggressive

872
00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:33,110
demeanor led us to quickly retreat but

873
00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:35,180
not before one of them tapped Australian

874
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,100
skeptics Vice President Richard Saunders

875
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:39,200
on the shoulder and with the great

876
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:42,020
chuckle proffered that the aspartamay

877
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:44,060
Aiden gum that Richard was chewing would

878
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:47,510
soon give him brain cancer several

879
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:50,330
stalls offered live blood analysis the

880
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,490
pseudoscience claiming to diagnose

881
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:54,560
illness by analyzing a drop of blood

882
00:40:59,770 --> 00:40:57,770
under a microscope after the diagnosis

883
00:41:02,890 --> 00:40:59,780
punters are encouraged to buy the

884
00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:02,900
supplements on display we asked the

885
00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:05,300
stallholder how it worked whether they

886
00:41:10,690 --> 00:41:07,820
could use it for HIV or other viruses

887
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:10,700
like swine flu we were told that it

888
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:13,250
coats the cell creating a barrier so

889
00:41:17,950 --> 00:41:16,070
that nothing can get in when I inquired

890
00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:17,960
about how things that need to get into

891
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:21,320
the cell like oxygen can do so he looked

892
00:41:27,130 --> 00:41:23,570
at me blankly and told me that the

893
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:27,140
barrier only lasted for one out at the

894
00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:29,180
end of the day standing at the doors of

895
00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:31,640
the Sydney exhibition center I couldn't

896
00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:35,030
help but wonder with such enthusiasm be

897
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:37,100
on show for a festival grounded in real

898
00:41:42,670 --> 00:41:40,130
science are we no longer interested in

899
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:42,680
scientific evidence and only able to

900
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:45,380
absorb vague ideas based on ethereal

901
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:48,470
notions of energy auras chakras and

902
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:51,890
harmony with nature what kind of harm

903
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:54,590
threatens humanity if we continue to

904
00:42:00,250 --> 00:41:57,250
allow the celebration and indeed the

905
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:00,260
commercialization of the unfounded cure

906
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:16,759
so that's a wrap up of the mind body

907
00:42:21,859 --> 00:42:20,249
spirit mind body wallet festival these

908
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:21,869
are in siming every six months I think

909
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:23,640
been probably in Melbourne every six

910
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:25,619
months and other capital cities at least

911
00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:28,440
annually and if you go to one anywhere

912
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:32,239
around the world ask questions and

913
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:34,710
you'll soon discover the people there

914
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,359
don't know what they're talking about

915
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:38,880
they certainly don't know the meaning of

916
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:41,910
the word energy and they'll use words

917
00:42:46,759 --> 00:42:44,249
like frequency and vibration just mixed

918
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:46,769
up with everything else now I can't tell

919
00:42:51,009 --> 00:42:48,359
you not to pick arguments if you go to

920
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:51,019
these things but I found over the years

921
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:53,249
they don't actually get you anywhere

922
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,930
it's better just to go there and collect

923
00:42:58,099 --> 00:42:56,880
information and maybe maybe we can

924
00:43:18,990 --> 00:42:58,109
actually do something about this

925
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:21,580
did you see that UFO sighting that made

926
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:23,870
the news what did that latest study

927
00:43:27,970 --> 00:43:25,550
about alternative treatments really say

928
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:27,980
is this photo making the rounds real or

929
00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:30,950
hoax duffle news is a unique website

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00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:32,840
featuring news about pseudoscience the

931
00:43:36,660 --> 00:43:34,970
paranormal anomalies and questionable

932
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:36,670
claims framed with the skeptical view

933
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:39,650
come visit doubtful newscom every day

934
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:41,380
for news about cryptozoology

935
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:45,110
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936
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:48,020
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00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:49,580
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938
00:44:05,400 --> 00:43:51,890
today's news duffel news helps you

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00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:08,470
morning everybody holy before I start my

940
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:12,890
day which I just wrote it is called with

941
00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:15,590
her at all before and I'm sure you put

942
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:17,840
it on before I'm going to be discussing

943
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:19,400
some of the things I've heard over the

944
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:22,670
years in my skeptical activities from

945
00:44:27,250 --> 00:44:24,920
the other side so to speak but before we

946
00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:27,260
start that this is God messenger

947
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:32,540
reporter for the skipper's own some of

948
00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:34,460
you may know who are all of the skeptics

949
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:37,430
under what we tried to do before each

950
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:39,770
episode is a little video teaser so I

951
00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:42,230
thought I'd do a quick video teaser live

952
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:44,600
from skipping town so we turn around

953
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:45,870
here

954
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:50,600
okay mode it's helping boat we do this

955
00:45:00,560 --> 00:44:58,110
and how's that however this is Richard

956
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:00,570
Saunders with Joe alabasta and we're at

957
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:06,450
skeptic am in Sydney hello coming up on

958
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:08,250
this week's show Joe what's coming up

959
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:10,950
may I will be talking figure at Paranal

960
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:13,910
adventure I'm going to be talking about

961
00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:16,410
blackmores funding and carrots in

962
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:19,100
university in integrative medicine

963
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:22,290
really really really cool and I'll be

964
00:45:26,570 --> 00:45:24,810
conducting interviews at Skippy camp

965
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:26,580
here in Sydney that's coming up on the

966
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:29,700
skeptics own podcast episode number 345

967
00:45:39,830 --> 00:45:37,170
for the 31st off mate ray that's it all

968
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:39,840
right thanks everything thanks for

969
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,010
indulging me now so yes no slides let's

970
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:50,640
see if that works so what I'd like to

971
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:54,300
talk about briefly a little bit about me

972
00:45:59,090 --> 00:45:57,210
for those of you who don't know too much

973
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,100
about what I've been up to I'm a

974
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:00,960
committee member of the Australian

975
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:03,750
skeptics I've been a past president I'm

976
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:05,070
also a life member of the Australian

977
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:07,170
skeptics I am a committee member of the

978
00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:09,270
james randi educational foundations 1

979
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:11,550
million dollar challenge I'm a fellow

980
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:13,950
for the Center for skeptical inquiry in

981
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,350
the United States I'm one of the team

982
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:18,300
who do the mystery investigators schools

983
00:46:26,090 --> 00:46:23,880
show now in its 12th year I think as you

984
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:26,100
saw I'm the host one of the hosts and

985
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,430
produces the skeptics own podcast and I

986
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:31,980
did documentary which Maureen's mother

987
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:36,210
and Maureen herself appeared in a last

988
00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:37,410
year that came out called the

989
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:39,260
vaccination Chronicles and that's a free

990
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,040
documentary so I've heard a lot of

991
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:46,800
things over the years in my skeptical

992
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:48,450
adventures I've spoken to a lot of

993
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,190
people who we might say are the

994
00:46:55,339 --> 00:46:52,859
believers and all sorts of things

995
00:46:57,739 --> 00:46:55,349
some of the things they tell me come up

996
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:57,749
frequently and I hear them again and

997
00:47:01,940 --> 00:46:59,400
again from different people over the

998
00:47:04,339 --> 00:47:01,950
years over the years and I will into the

999
00:47:07,279 --> 00:47:04,349
future so I thought I'd relate some of

1000
00:47:12,529 --> 00:47:07,289
these to you and you may have some good

1001
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,539
ideas for a quick rebuttal but these are

1002
00:47:16,009 --> 00:47:14,460
the things that if you are involved in

1003
00:47:19,339 --> 00:47:16,019
skepticism these are some of the things

1004
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:19,349
you are will undoubtedly here the first

1005
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:22,410
one is and I only heard this again just

1006
00:47:30,370 --> 00:47:26,700
the other day more and more people now

1007
00:47:33,289 --> 00:47:30,380
this is what will be put to you by

1008
00:47:35,779 --> 00:47:33,299
people who believe in there particularly

1009
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:35,789
if they will say these days more and

1010
00:47:41,299 --> 00:47:38,249
more people will the first time I heard

1011
00:47:45,049 --> 00:47:41,309
this was from creationists dating back

1012
00:47:47,420 --> 00:47:45,059
to the 1970s and the 80s in more and

1013
00:47:51,049 --> 00:47:47,430
more scientists are now turning to

1014
00:47:54,859 --> 00:47:51,059
creationism they it's just a handy thing

1015
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,869
to say it's also used with things like

1016
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,880
homeopathy things in the new age more

1017
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,380
and more people are now realizing

1018
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,660
there's a whole fundamental shift more

1019
00:48:03,769 --> 00:48:02,400
and more people are realizing that we

1020
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:03,779
can talk to the dead that homeopathy

1021
00:48:12,259 --> 00:48:07,230
works that XYZ an alternative medicine

1022
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:12,269
is true and I think people say this

1023
00:48:19,009 --> 00:48:15,900
because to their way of thinking this

1024
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:19,019
must be the case if you've invested your

1025
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:21,390
efforts and time and emotions and money

1026
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:24,930
and intellect into something it's quite

1027
00:48:29,059 --> 00:48:26,849
natural to assume that surely the rest

1028
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,069
of the planet will catch on because

1029
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:31,859
you're right you've done your research

1030
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:34,680
and you've been convinced so naturally

1031
00:48:38,779 --> 00:48:37,170
more and more people will come around to

1032
00:48:41,569 --> 00:48:38,789
your way of thinking I think a classic

1033
00:48:43,489 --> 00:48:41,579
example would be the francella and

1034
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,499
homeopathy plus we can see how she is

1035
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:45,960
entrenched in her belief and to her way

1036
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:47,849
of thinking her friends naturally the

1037
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:49,410
rest of the world will have to catch up

1038
00:48:54,019 --> 00:48:51,150
and I'll get to this the rest of the

1039
00:48:56,029 --> 00:48:54,029
world catching up soon so that's one you

1040
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:56,039
will hear more and more people and they

1041
00:49:01,099 --> 00:48:58,140
don't cite real statistics or anything

1042
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:01,109
but it to them it's just a foregone

1043
00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:01,710
conclusion

1044
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:06,260
the next one would be a classic is

1045
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:09,150
labeled again skeptics skeptics are

1046
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:12,690
closed-minded I've heard this ever since

1047
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:15,210
I've been in the skeptical world

1048
00:49:21,740 --> 00:49:18,570
skeptics are closed-minded it's a sort

1049
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,750
of a way to end a conversation it's the

1050
00:49:25,579 --> 00:49:24,240
ultimate can't talk to you you're

1051
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,589
closed-minded you're a skeptic you're a

1052
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:26,940
skeptic therefore you close minded

1053
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:28,170
you're closed-minded therefore you're

1054
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:32,250
skeptical but really who's the who's in

1055
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:33,570
this case who it really is the

1056
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:37,920
closed-minded when I was doing a TV show

1057
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,839
a number of years ago called the one I

1058
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:45,839
was cast as as a judge on this TV show

1059
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:48,900
and they didn't cast my other judge who

1060
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,670
would be the believer skeptic believer

1061
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:53,460
and so they had me up sitting in a

1062
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:55,230
little studio and they would bring in

1063
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,510
boob candidate so contestants that's

1064
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:59,040
what's the word people auditioning for

1065
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:01,260
the role and we'd have a little chat to

1066
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:03,390
see if we got along and how we looked on

1067
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,369
camera and I would ask each of them in

1068
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:07,920
turn and I said I I'm a skeptic you're a

1069
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,619
believer I said I would believe in what

1070
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:12,240
you're proposing if it's talking to the

1071
00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:16,310
dead or whatever it is if there was

1072
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,369
enough good compelling evidence that's

1073
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:21,900
the skeptical point of view that's a

1074
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:24,690
scientific outlook I don't know what it

1075
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:26,070
would be like in reality it's never

1076
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:28,410
quite happened yet but I said at least I

1077
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:31,650
that's how I would have to try and go

1078
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:33,540
down that path and I don't always ask

1079
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:36,270
them what would convince you that what

1080
00:50:46,579 --> 00:50:42,020
you think is incorrect and basically

1081
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:46,589
nothing the true believer is its to

1082
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:48,690
their way of thinking that's that's

1083
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:51,720
reality so of course nothing can can

1084
00:50:55,579 --> 00:50:54,119
make them change their money it's it's

1085
00:50:58,540 --> 00:50:55,589
an interesting thing so when people say

1086
00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:58,550
to you skeptics you're close-minded

1087
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:00,990
really it's the other way around it's

1088
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,670
funny it really is the other way around

1089
00:51:07,070 --> 00:51:04,500
but the perception is skeptics have to

1090
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,080
be closed-minded another great one I've

1091
00:51:13,019 --> 00:51:09,599
heard over the years crops up every now

1092
00:51:15,149 --> 00:51:13,029
and then and it's it's a quote the media

1093
00:51:17,789 --> 00:51:15,159
like to get their teeth into for those

1094
00:51:20,249 --> 00:51:17,799
who believe no evidence is necessary for

1095
00:51:22,709 --> 00:51:20,259
those who are skeptical no evidence is

1096
00:51:25,919 --> 00:51:22,719
ever enough it's a great way to just

1097
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:25,929
dismiss skeptical inquiry or skeptical

1098
00:51:31,049 --> 00:51:28,630
thought and I could sort of relates back

1099
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:31,059
to my previous point for those who

1100
00:51:35,939 --> 00:51:32,890
believe no evidence is necessary that's

1101
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:35,949
pretty sad actually it's not a it's not

1102
00:51:40,769 --> 00:51:37,390
a good way to conduct yourself if you

1103
00:51:42,419 --> 00:51:40,779
just I believe in this so you know I'm

1104
00:51:44,489 --> 00:51:42,429
imposing a close-minded attitude here

1105
00:51:46,169 --> 00:51:44,499
and the second part is completely

1106
00:51:47,969 --> 00:51:46,179
incorrect for those who are skeptical no

1107
00:51:52,049 --> 00:51:47,979
evidences not won't know if you're

1108
00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:52,059
skeptical then we hope and you must

1109
00:51:57,449 --> 00:51:54,369
strive to accept the evidence even when

1110
00:52:01,519 --> 00:51:57,459
it's not compatible with way you your

1111
00:52:04,799 --> 00:52:01,529
worldview so that's a great one for

1112
00:52:07,049 --> 00:52:04,809
media psychics and mystics and whatever

1113
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:07,059
and homeopathy I've heard it too to use

1114
00:52:11,909 --> 00:52:09,849
that little sound bite but it's

1115
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:11,919
incorrect but it's a sound bite it goes

1116
00:52:17,669 --> 00:52:14,529
out there it's played on the media it

1117
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:17,679
sounds good it sounds good another one

1118
00:52:24,959 --> 00:52:21,849
that's been a accusation of sorts sort

1119
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:24,969
of an insult that's been put against me

1120
00:52:30,989 --> 00:52:27,400
are beyond this same Shanti on the

1121
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:30,999
national TV are you skeptics useful the

1122
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:38,169
world was flat what hang on a second you

1123
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:40,390
mean me and my friends and the skeptical

1124
00:52:45,390 --> 00:52:42,729
community think or thought the world was

1125
00:52:47,219 --> 00:52:45,400
flat no that can't be right so we go

1126
00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:47,229
back through history and of course on

1127
00:52:57,179 --> 00:52:52,150
the spot you can't do this ok so people

1128
00:52:58,979 --> 00:52:57,189
since the many evil times I suppose in

1129
00:53:02,939 --> 00:52:58,989
the early civilizations knew the world

1130
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:02,949
was round the thing is the only people

1131
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:07,839
I've heard of in recent times who think

1132
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:10,630
the world is flat or indeed that the Sun

1133
00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:12,220
revolves around

1134
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:16,180
the earth are believers this this thing

1135
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:18,220
is turned completely on its head the own

1136
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:20,530
there are people who what is it called G

1137
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:22,890
geocentrism is that the right job young

1138
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:25,270
and there are certain religious sects

1139
00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:29,410
who believe that the Sun revolves around

1140
00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:32,320
the earth so this is a bizarre one

1141
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:34,060
that's a great instant put down

1142
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:38,710
especially our media and so and I guess

1143
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:42,300
the thinking is way back in antiquity

1144
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,530
people like me would sit there and say

1145
00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:46,000
of course the world is flat don't be

1146
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,300
silly and these brave other people would

1147
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,040
try to disprove the skeptics it's

1148
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:52,480
completely the other way around if

1149
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:55,090
anything people could have been

1150
00:53:59,310 --> 00:53:56,710
skeptical of the world was flat and

1151
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,320
discovered it was wrong so that that's

1152
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:01,260
an interesting one that comes up Oh

1153
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:06,070
another great one and this is this is an

1154
00:54:12,089 --> 00:54:08,710
interesting psychological one again this

1155
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:12,099
was put to me on on this TV show oh you

1156
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:15,820
scientists or was that effect science

1157
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:18,690
doesn't know everything you know

1158
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:21,160
implying that what they've the

1159
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:23,260
proposition they've just put or what

1160
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:26,170
we've just observed some psychic is

1161
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:30,160
correct so isn't that interesting ah you

1162
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:32,080
know you're nothing this but science

1163
00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:39,960
of course otherwise no yes that's that

1164
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:41,080
of course it doesn't know everything

1165
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:42,760
otherwise it would stop but it's a great

1166
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:44,560
it's also a complete ignorance of the

1167
00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:46,690
scientific method by these people but

1168
00:54:50,130 --> 00:54:48,820
what they're saying in it is that I'm

1169
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,140
right because science doesn't know

1170
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:52,000
everything there for one day you'll see

1171
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:55,090
this what XYZ belief sister won't be

1172
00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:56,380
shown to be right because science

1173
00:55:01,620 --> 00:54:59,080
doesn't know everything you've wrought

1174
00:55:02,730 --> 00:55:01,630
and skipped it get out of here there's a

1175
00:55:08,610 --> 00:55:02,740
bit of anger in that too i think

1176
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:08,620
sometimes or another one is if I'm

1177
00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:11,590
putting a point the rebuttal from a

1178
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:13,540
believer could be our you're a skeptic

1179
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:18,370
of course you'd say that well of course

1180
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:20,050
I were just right and well I hope it's

1181
00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:22,630
you again it's it's this missing what I

1182
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:25,600
say they simply by saying aye but you

1183
00:55:29,490 --> 00:55:27,460
have to say that you're a skeptic you're

1184
00:55:32,420 --> 00:55:29,500
close-minded so I'm not going to what

1185
00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:32,430
you're saying is not very important ah

1186
00:55:37,110 --> 00:55:34,840
thank you for jumping in their modes

1187
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:37,120
it's good to because I sometimes I still

1188
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:40,150
struggle with with the instant reply to

1189
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:42,250
these and in many cases there is no

1190
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,350
instant reply that is satisfying and you

1191
00:55:48,330 --> 00:55:45,760
can get across because sometimes you

1192
00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:48,340
have to spend time explaining especially

1193
00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:50,800
this one skeptics a closed minded then

1194
00:55:56,070 --> 00:55:52,780
takes a minute or two to you know talk

1195
00:55:57,870 --> 00:55:56,080
around that one oh one of my favorites

1196
00:56:01,050 --> 00:55:57,880
of all time with my favorites of all

1197
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:01,060
time so I might be discussing a point of

1198
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:02,460
view from the skeptical point of view

1199
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:05,230
homeopathy for example oh it's works on

1200
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:08,500
energy what do you mean reiki what is it

1201
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:12,670
is it energy ah you skeptics you can't

1202
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,810
measure love you know and you will hear

1203
00:56:22,530 --> 00:56:20,160
this you can't measure love therefore

1204
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,540
what I'm saying is true because you

1205
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:24,640
can't measure that either about someone

1206
00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:26,380
how do you measure raking energies and

1207
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:28,180
hit the thermal is it sound I mean what

1208
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:30,520
is it its energy well how do you measure

1209
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:33,490
it what what device you can't measure

1210
00:56:40,020 --> 00:56:37,270
love either therefore Reiki is true can

1211
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:40,030
you see how their mind works yes

1212
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:42,370
they come back for that yeah love

1213
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:47,590
without evidence is stalking love

1214
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:49,150
without evidence is stalking to

1215
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:52,570
invention I like that yeah so far and

1216
00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:54,850
I've only got a couple more to go so I

1217
00:57:01,880 --> 00:56:56,830
know we're running a bit late but that's

1218
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:01,890
fine so far a lot of these things that

1219
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:05,500
they will put to you maybe it's this

1220
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:06,850
they're thinking they're not trying to

1221
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:10,030
be funny or smart or come up with

1222
00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:13,090
something that will confuse me or

1223
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,220
whatever the case may be this is

1224
00:57:20,490 --> 00:57:17,440
actually to them all these make perfect

1225
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:20,500
sense these put-downs these replies and

1226
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:22,540
everything and as I said before a lot of

1227
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:26,470
times it's very hard to have a

1228
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:29,080
satisfactory come back you just haven't

1229
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:31,630
got the time and their point especially

1230
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:35,710
this one the long-winded one for those

1231
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:37,570
who believe no evidence is necessary for

1232
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:39,310
those who are skipping no evidence is

1233
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:41,380
enough it takes a few minutes to unpick

1234
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:43,800
that and turn it on its head by then it

1235
00:57:50,090 --> 00:57:46,270
doesn't matter especially if it's sound

1236
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:50,100
bite for the medium another one which i

1237
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:53,110
think i might have even heard French

1238
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:56,050
Sheffield use I'm not sure definitely

1239
00:58:02,250 --> 00:57:58,570
i've heard home homeopathy homeopathy

1240
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:02,260
sonia pass use this one science has yet

1241
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:06,640
to catch up with us isn't that

1242
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:09,640
fascinating sciences yet to to catch up

1243
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:12,190
with us especially in homeopathy I think

1244
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:15,400
we know it works we've seen it work now

1245
00:58:21,390 --> 00:58:18,550
from their point of view absolutely it

1246
00:58:25,410 --> 00:58:21,400
works if you're a homeopath or a Reiki

1247
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:25,420
practitioner or this sort of thing and I

1248
00:58:29,580 --> 00:58:27,220
give this talk also in relation to

1249
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:29,590
psychic readings the people who come

1250
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:34,510
through your door r9 I don't know ninety

1251
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:36,130
percent ninety-five percent sold on the

1252
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:38,290
idea before they even step foot in the

1253
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:39,850
door they they're going there because

1254
00:58:45,050 --> 00:58:41,740
that's the service they want they in

1255
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:45,060
their mind it works so the practitioner

1256
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:49,750
let's think about homeopathy we'll sit

1257
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:51,310
them down have a chat with them right

1258
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,690
out things then

1259
00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:54,160
salmon them somehow look at them

1260
00:58:59,490 --> 00:58:57,400
recommend the remedies they go away when

1261
00:59:02,760 --> 00:58:59,500
the patient comes back they're usually

1262
00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:02,770
feeling better or happier or their

1263
00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:04,599
situation has improved they credit Lee

1264
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:07,180
homeopathy but homeopath will take this

1265
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:09,250
on board as validation of what they're

1266
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:12,250
doing is true this happens again and

1267
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:13,569
again and again of course they're

1268
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:16,030
convinced that works I'd be almost

1269
00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:17,470
convinced that works or something like

1270
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:19,060
that I mean people listen to my podcast

1271
00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:22,569
maybe there are trying to convince me or

1272
00:59:32,819 --> 00:59:27,220
something it's no wonder it's no wonder

1273
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:32,829
and when they see that the mainstream

1274
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:36,160
science is doubting this on and now it's

1275
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:39,250
really really against homeopathy broadly

1276
00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:42,310
speaking how they happen they

1277
00:59:47,010 --> 00:59:44,200
rationalize this well of course it works

1278
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:47,020
science will catch up one day science

1279
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:49,569
will validate all these things it has to

1280
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:51,940
because they know it works but that's an

1281
01:00:01,170 --> 00:59:56,609
interesting mindset another sort of one

1282
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:01,180
that I've had is people but we can use

1283
01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:03,609
homeopathy agin us I could say look we

1284
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:05,140
just there's no way that we know can

1285
01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:08,040
possibly work under the current

1286
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:09,700
understanding of the current laws of

1287
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:12,280
physics ah current understanding of the

1288
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:14,290
laws of physics well when we understand

1289
01:00:20,220 --> 01:00:16,119
physics more you'll see how it works and

1290
01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:20,230
I get things like well to our ancestors

1291
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:21,940
200 years ago television would have

1292
01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:25,800
looked like magic too but it's a false

1293
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,900
analogy I think technical television

1294
01:00:33,059 --> 01:00:31,359
isn't magic its science we know how it

1295
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:33,069
works I yes but then in two hundred

1296
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:35,050
years or in 50 years science will

1297
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:37,510
discover that it's the same thing with

1298
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:42,310
homeopathy so I'll run a wrap up quickly

1299
01:00:47,890 --> 01:00:43,569
I don't know how much time I've got left

1300
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:47,900
a few minutes your apartment support

1301
01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:50,940
that's that's fun if you have a quick

1302
01:01:04,760 --> 01:00:52,800
question now great otherwise we can have

1303
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:04,770
a chat outside yes sufficiently advanced

1304
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:08,280
technology absolutely radius arthur c

1305
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:09,420
clarke said that yeah that's probably

1306
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:14,430
where it's would come from yeah yeah

1307
01:01:18,290 --> 01:01:16,650
absolutely i think so welcome terry

1308
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:18,300
pratchett said that a sufficiently

1309
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:21,000
advanced magic is indistinguishable it

1310
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,790
seems yeah so I'm sort of thinking I

1311
01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:25,440
think well thank you very much folks are

1312
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:27,840
the skeptics own podcasters can be found

1313
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:30,930
at skeptic zone TV my twitter is at

1314
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:33,660
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1315
01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:52,700
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1320
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sydney area to book your ticket quick

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come along and enjoy this very

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week and I don't forget you

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can now officially here is if you use

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Joe alabaster for her report this week

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thank you Joe I do appreciate that when

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my reporters send me such good work and

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the fact they always and we could work

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what am I talking about of course they

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do don't forget if you're coming to the

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amazing meeting in Las Vegas next month

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please come by and say hello I'd love to

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have a chat with you love to catch up

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with skeptics own fans from all around

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the world always a good time and it'll

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be a good time to to properly

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acknowledged the life and the work of

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James Randi i am looking forward to that

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now before i go if you have a skeptical

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event anywhere around the world or a

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skeptical group and you'd like more

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people to hear about it drop me a line

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let's go to skeptics and TV go to the

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contacts page and you can drop me a line

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there tell me about it and if it's

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something I think is worthwhile then we

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can organize for a short 30 second ad to

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be played on the skeptic zone and I do

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that for free I do that as part of the

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fluff Sofia the skeptics own to help

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as you know by listening to the zone i

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always play promotions for people from

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all all corners of the world all six

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corners figure that one out but from

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this corner of the world from Sydney

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Australia this is Richard Saunders

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signing off you've been listening to the

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